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Tabassum interviews SHANKER

PHOOL KHILE HAIN GULSHAN GULSHAN

Interview of Shankar (of Shankar Jaikishen duo) by Tabassum in this
Doordarshan programme recorded in 1986

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Interlude: ae gulbadan phoolon ki mahak (Professor)
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Tabassum: kisi bhi kali ko phool bankar mahakne ke liye kin raaston se guzarnaa paDtaa hai yeh aap achchhi tarah jaante hain. hamaare
aaj ke mehmaan ki kalaa kali se phool bankar kaise mehkee yeh unhi ki zabaani suniye. Shankar-ji!

Shankar: yeh baDaa achchha aapne poochha hai, hamaari zinddegi jo hai Prithvi Theatres se shuru huyi hai, aur aapko maaloom hai ki
us 'theatre' mein bahut kuchh seekhne ko milaa hai aur bahut kaam karne ko bhi milaa hai, aur usi ki badaulat jo hai, ham aaj hain.
Prithvi Theatre hamesha jab 'tour' pe baahar jaaya karta tha, tab kuchh na kuchh ham 'extra' kaam bhi kiya karte the, kaise kaam ke
baad kisi bhi shahar mein koi gaane bajaane waale mil jaate to main unko pakaDke le aata tha kyunki wahaan ke jitne 'artistes' hain woh
thak jaate the 'drama' ke baad, to mujhse naaraaz hote the ki 'yaar yeh kahin na kahin se kuchh na kuchh karta hai, kisi na kisi ko
pakaDkar le aata hai'. to meri aadat thi gaana bajaana sunna aur usse kuchh haasil karna, to papaji ko yeh bahut pasand tha...

Tabassum: Prithviraj-ji ko?

Shankar: Prithviraj-ji ko, kyunki woh 'classical' vagerah mein woh bahut shauk rakhte the. isi tareeke se ham logon ke har 'tour' par
kahin na kahin se aise 'programme' huya karte the....(interrupts)

Tabassum: main gustaaKhi ki maafi chaahti hoon aapne yeh naheen bataaya ki aapne Prithvi Theatres mein shuruwaat kaise kee?

Shankar: o ho ho, jab main Bambai aaya, tab mujhe papaji, ek 'Deodhar Music School' hai, wahaan unke darshan huye, jab maine
unko dekhaa aisa lagta tha ki waaqai yeh itne Khoobsoorat 'hero' shaayad hi koi ho saktaa hai. unki khoobsoorti aur 'personality' jo
thi, usko dekhkar hi main Khaamosh ho gaya. main to chhoTaa sa... to maine unse poochha, mujhe maaloom tha ki papaji us waqt
Shakuntala 'drama' shuru karnewaale the. to maine unse poochha ki 'papaji, aap hamein kaam denge kya?' unhone poochha 'kya karte
hain?' maine kahaa ki main tablaa bahut achchhi bajaata hoon aur 'harmonium' bhi bahut achchha bajaata hoon, thoDaa bahut 'dance'
bhi karta hoon, aur 'stage' par agar koi chhoTe moTe 'dialogues' hon to woh bhi main bol saktaa hoon.


Tabassum: All rounder (laughs)

Shankar: All rounder! to unko yeh bahut achhi lagi baat, to unhone Dadar mein, aapne sunaa hoga ki woh 'music' ke sittings vagerah
waheen kiya karte the. to bulaaya waheen pe ek din. saahab, do 'rehearsal hall' the, wahaan baDe baDe kalaakaar baiThe huye the.
to un kalaakaaron ko dekhkar main soch mein paD gaya ki main to kuchh bhi naheen hoon in logon ke saamne. to phir mujhse poochhe
ki 'tablaa sunaaoge kya?' maine kahaa aap ijaazat den to zaroor sunaayunga. ittefaaq ne Ali Akbar saahab bhi wahaan the, to 'Ali
Akbar saahab ke saath aap bajaayenge kya?' mane bolaa 'Theek hai, pehle do 'minute' main 'solo' bajaa loon phir aapke saath sangat
karoonga'. maine do-chaar 'minute' jo 'solo' bajaaya, saare logon ne itni pasand kee hai, itni taaliyaan bajaaye zor zor se.

Tabassum: aur Prithvi Theatres mein aapke kadam jam gaye (laughs)

Shankar: kadam jam gaye, aur waheen se zindegi shuru hoti rahi. Theatre mein jaate rahe, to ittefaaq se Raj saahab ne 'picture'
shuru kiya Barsat, Raj saahab hamein gaane banaakar rakhne ke liye kehte the. aise hamne kai gaane banaa liye the. jab unhone phir se
kahaa gaane banaane ke liye to hamne kahaa ki 'aap gaane banwaate hain par kabhi lete to hain naheen!' ittefaaq se ham Poona gaye
the 'theatre' ke saath, to raat ka waqt hai, ek dhun hai suniye aur dekhiye kaisi lagti hai, bhaiya mat leejiye par sun, gaana maine
woh "ambua ka peD hai, gori munDher hai, aaja more baalma, ab kaahe ko der hai", sunaaya. jaise sunaaya to bole ki 'bas ab Bambai chalte
hain aur is gaane ko 'record' karte hain. is baar Bambai aane baad woh 'seriously' gaane ke peechhe lag gaye. to gaane ke liye Hasrat
miya likhne ke liye aaye.

Tabassum: to Hasrat bhai ne us dhun par bol kaun se likhe?

Shankar: "jiya bekaraar hai, chhayi bahaar hai, aaja more baalma, tera intezaar hai".

Tabassum: oh ho, yeh to bahut lokpriya gaana tha, Shankar-ji, ek sangeetkaar yahaan baiThe huye hain, aur saaz bhi maujood hai, to
aapki maujoodgi aur saaz ke hone ka faayda uThaate huye main farmaaish karoon ki 'ambua ka peD hai' 'jiya bekaraar hai' kaise
banaa hai?

Shankar sings "jiyaa bekaraar hai..."

Tabassum: Shankar-ji, aaj jab ham kehte hain ki Shankar-ji aa gaye to log poochhte hain ki 'kaun Shankar-Jaikishen ki joDi waale?' kya
main yeh jaan sakti hoon ki yeh Shakar Jaikishen ki joDi kaise banee?

Shankar: yeh to aisa hai ki jab main 'theatre' mein kaam kiya karta tha to ek 'harmonium' bajaanewaale ki zaroorat thi, to maine
Jaikishen-ji ko wahaan kaam ke liye le aaya. jab laaya to unko papaji ne rakh liya, bas uske saath hamaari yeh joDi jo banee hai,
jaise barsaat shuru huyi hai, aaj tak barsaat hi barsaat hoti rahi hai.

Tabassum: bahut Khoob!

Shankar: dono jab milkar kaam karte the kabhi yeh naheen sochaa ki woh kar raha hai ya main kar raha hoon, aisi kabhi hamaare dimaag
mein Khayaal naheen aaye, hamesha yahi sochkar karte the ki hamaara naam honaa chaahiye, hamein kaamyaabi milna chaahiye, Khoob duniya
mein hamaari charche hona chaahiye, yahi dil mein hamaari...

Tabassum: yeh maqsad mein to kaamyaabi mil hi gaya! achchha Shankar-ji, jaise Shankar Jaikishen ki joDi mashoor ho gayi, isi tarah
do 'writers' bhi aapke saath juDe huye hain, Shailendra-ji aur Hasrat Jaipuri-ji. kya ham jaan sakte hain ki in dono 'writers' ka
istemaal aaplog kaise karte the? aisa kuchh tha ki ek'writer' aapke saath aur ek Jaikishen-ji ke saath?
Shankar: naheen aisa kuchh naheen, baat aisi hai ki Shailendra ke 'type' ke gaane jo hain woh ham Shailendra ko diya karte the, aur
Hasrat ke 'type' ke gaane hasrat ko diya karte the.

Tabassum: main dono ke 'type' ka farak jaanna chaahoon to?

Shankar: jee haan! matlab, jaise Shailendra jo hain "honThon pe sachchai rehti hai jahaan dil mein safaai rehti hai hum us desh ke
vaasi hain jis desh mein gangaa behti hai" aur Hasrat ka hai "teri pyari pyari soorat ko kisi ki nazar na lage chashm-e-baddoor".

Tabassum: achchha, yaani in mein 'romance' zyaada hai.

Shankar: waise yeh dono hi ek doosre se koi kam naheen the aur main samajhta hoon ki indono ne jitna naam kiya aur inke gaane jitne
chale, shaayad hi kisi aur ke chale honge

Tabassum: ab aap yeh bhi hamein bataayen ki jab aap filmi duniya mein aaye us waqt yahaan ki mashoor mashoor aawaazen kaun si thi?

Shankar: us waqt to mere khayaal se Shamshad-baai theen, Zohrabai Ambalewali, Amirbai Karnataki, aur Rajkumari, aur Khursheed,
Suraiyya, aur Noorjehan bhi theen. to aise baDe baDe gaanewaale the. lekin ham ek din "Jupiter Studio' mein main gaya tha to ek laDki ko
maine wahaan dekhaa jo Husnlal-ji ke wahaan apni aawaaz sunaane ke liye aayeen theen.

Tabassum: Husnlal Bhagatram?

Shankar: jee haan! 'great' log the. to wahaan par apni aawaaz sunaaya inhone, to unhone pasand naheen kiya aur waapas bhej diya.
mere dimaag mein naheen maaloom woh aawaaz kyun rahi, kya hai, jab yeh gaana maine Barsat ka banaaya "jiya beqaraar hai", tab us laDki
ko maine bulaaya. achchha jab bulaaya tab aap samjhengi naheen ki yeh laDki gaana gaayegi ya gaa sakti hai, aisi kuchh baaten unmein
nazar naheen aa rahi thi.

Tabassum: main aapse yahi sawaal karne jaa rahi thi ki jab us zamaane ki mashoor aawaazon ko na lete huye aapne yeh gaana Lataji
se gawaane ka faislaa kyun kiya?

Shankar: naamwaale to hain hi lekin us waqt dimaag mein mere yeh aaya ki main Khud naya hoon, zindegi ka kuchh Thikaana naheen tha,
lekin maine us laDki ke aawaaz ko pasand kiya, isiliye pasand kiya kyunki mere dimaag mein tha ki yeh gaayegi, usko ek gaane ke liye le
aaye hain, woh hain Lata Mangeshkar!

Tabassum: main yeh jaanna chaahoongi ki us waqt sangeetkaaron ka aur gaayakon ka aapas mein 'relation' kaisa huya karta tha?

Shankar: us waqt bahut achchha tha.

Tabassum: bilkul guru-shishya ki tarah?

Shankar: guru aur shishya ki tarah, ek doosre ka aadar karna, doosre ko maan dena, chhoTe baDe ka khayaal karna, yeh sab cheezen thi
aur 'music director'-on mein bhi pyar tha aur ek doosre se milna-julna, bahut achchha tha.

Tabassum: Shankar-ji, aapne 'playback' ki duniya mein aur bhi to bahut si aawaazen ataa keeye hain?

Shankar: haan! C H Atma ko jab ham le aaye to Pancholi saahab ki kya 'position' aur kya unki 'glamour' thi. us waqt unke saamne, woh
itne lambe the ki main ek chhoTa sa jhaaD ke neeche khaDa hoon aisa lagta tha, to unhone poochha ki 'arey tum to abhi naye naye aaye ho
aur naye naye logon se gawaa rahe ho!' maine bolaa 'Pancholi saahab, ham naye hain isiliye gawaana hai'. to woh bole ki 'tumhare himmat
ki dad dena chaahiye, tum naye hokar Khud naye ko gawaa rahe ho'. to aapne sunaa hoga C H Atma ko, to C H Atma ko gawaa diya hai to woh
bhi chal gaya hai, to aise hi kitne...

Tabassum: Sharda ji ki aawaaz mein aisi kaun si Khoobi aur Khaas baat thi jo aapne unhe 'chance' diya?

Shankar: jaise Lata ko hamne laaya, hamne koi Khoobi to naheen dekhaa usmein, waise ismein bhi hamne koi achchhi baaten dekhi hogi
jo le aaye, Sharda ki aawaaz mein jo hai ek apna Dhang sabse baDaa niraala tha.

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Song: dekho mera dil machal gaya (Suraj)
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Tabassum: 'glamour' ki duniya se taallukh rakhne waale har mashoor aadmi ke baare mein uske darshak zyaada se zyaada jaankaari haasil
karna chaahte hain aur kaafi baaten unhe maaloom bhi ho jaati hai lekin Shankar-ji, aapke parivaar ke baare mein, aapki 'family' ke
baare mein logon ko aaj tak zyada 'detail' naheen maaloom huyi. iski vajah?

Shankar: aisa hai, jo aadmi 'film line' mein 37 'years' guzaarta hai aur is line ki ek ek baat maaloom hai ki kaisa filmline hai, kaise
log hain, kaise baat karte hain, to main yeh galati kaise kar saktaa hoon ki apni 'family' ko film-line mein le aayun!

Tabassum: (laughs)

Shankar: jahaan ka kaam waheen karo achchha hai, is museebat mein kyun Daalo, ham jo paD gaye museebat mein woh to waqt ki baat hai,
achchha kaam keeye isliye nazar aa rahe hain warna to yahaan kitne aaye kitne chale gaye.

Tabassum: kisi bhi gaane ke liye pehli cheez 'situation', uske baad bol aur teesra 'number' aata hai dhun ka. logon ka yeh Khayaal hai,
aap isse kahaan tak sehmat hain?

Shankar: aisa hai ki ham log pehle ...
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